The Rest Is Politics

The Rest Is Politics

Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart break down current affairs in the UK and abroad. The Rest Is Politics analyses the latest international news, provides debate on global issues, and reveals secrets from Westminster, whilst bringing back the lost art of disagreeing agreeably. With insider perspectives and expert analysis, The Rest Is Politics is the go-to podcast for anyone seeking intelligent, engaging discussions on British and global politics. The Rest Is Politics Plus: Join with a FREE TRIAL at therestispolitics.com for exclusive bonus content including Rory and Alastair’s first ever miniseries, early access to episodes and live show tickets, ad free listening, our exclusive newsletter, discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, and our members chatroom. For more Goalhanger Podcasts, head to www.goalhanger.com. Social Producer: Celine Charles Lead Video Editor: Josh Smith Assistant Producer: Daisy Alston-Horne Producer: Evan Green Exec Producer: Bella Soames
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Episode's summary

Steve Rotherham discusses the personal and political background of Andy Burnham, exploring how his working-class roots, family values, and religious influences shaped his political instincts. The conversation examines how the economic devastation caused by Thatcherism in Liverpool influenced Burnham's views on injustice and devolution. The episode also delves into the long-term economic impacts of Thatcherism and the failures of top-down Labour policies in Northern England. A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the Hillsborough disaster, detailing the initial government attempts to scapegoat fans and how Burnham's role during the 20th anniversary served as a pivotal moment for the justice campaign.

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Highlights

I think it's a crusade, yeah. I think that the Labour Party is the crusade.

00:08:51 · Steve Rotherham describes Burnham's view of the Labour Party as a moral mission for social change.

I saw what Thatcher's government did to places like this, De-industrialisation, draining away of economic, social and political power.

00:13:37 · The speaker quotes Burnham regarding the long-term consequences of Thatcher's policies on industrial areas.

And there's a deliberate strategy by the government, by the police, essentially to say this is a bunch of pissed, scouse football fans that essentially have brought this upon themselves.

00:15:53 · The speaker describes the initial institutional attempt to shift blame for the Hillsborough disaster onto the victims.

I think it was Harold Wilson who said that a lie can be halfway around the world before the truth gets its boots on.

00:16:43 · The speaker uses this quote to illustrate how long it took for the actual facts of the disaster to emerge despite institutional cover-ups.

And it was a one lone voice and I don't know whether you'll get it on the tape, but it just shouts justice.

00:19:34 · The speaker recalls the moment during the 20th anniversary where Andy Burnham's official government message was met with a powerful chant for justice from the crowd.

Episodes

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Becoming Burnham: Thatcher, Hillsborough, and the Anger that Shaped Him | Part 1

Steve Rotherham discusses the personal and political background of Andy Burnham, exploring how his working-class roots, family values, and religious influences shaped his political instincts. The conversation examines how the economic devastation caused by Thatcherism in Liverpool influenced Burnham's views on injustice and devolution. The episode also delves into the long-term economic impacts of Thatcherism and the failures of top-down Labour policies in Northern England. A significant portion of the discussion focuses on the Hillsborough disaster, detailing the initial government attempts to scapegoat fans and how Burnham's role during the 20th anniversary served as a pivotal moment for the justice campaign.

20 Aug 2026
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564. Burnham’s Media Machine and West Bank Settler Impunity

Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart analyze Andy Burnham's modern communications strategy, focusing on his use of social media platforms like TikTok to set the political agenda through authentic engagement. The discussion explores the shifting landscape of news consumption and the challenges of political scrutiny in an era where social media and podcasts are becoming primary information sources. The episode also covers serious geopolitical issues, including settler violence in the West Bank, the legal disparities between settlers and Palestinians, and a book about Israeli-Palestinian reconciliation. The conversation concludes with lighter topics ranging from policy competitions to cultural shout-outs.

19 Aug 2026
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563. Britain’s Afghanistan Shame and the Jason Arday Tragedy

This episode reflects on the five-year anniversary of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan, weighing improved local security against a devastating humanitarian crisis and 'gender apartheid' under Taliban rule. Through firsthand accounts, the discussion explores how restrictive decrees have stripped women of their education and livelihoods, while debating the political implications of international engagement and the abandonment of Afghan allies. The conversation then shifts to global geopolitics, analyzing the suppression of political opposition in Russia and the strategic logic behind Putin's actions. The episode also covers the escalating impact of maritime warfare on Black Sea grain supplies, Donald Trump's transactional approach to foreign policy regarding South Korea and North Korea, and a somber reflection on the loss of empathy in modern media coverage.

18 Aug 2026
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Will Climate Action Go Backwards Under Burnham?

Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart welcome Caroline Lucas to discuss climate change as a critical national security issue. The conversation explores the necessity of transparent government communication, the environmental risks posed by AI data centers to water security, and the tension between advancing technological infrastructure and protecting essential natural resources. The discussion further examines the complexities of the green transition, including the economic benefits of renewables and the geopolitical risks of offshoring manufacturing. Ultimately, the speakers argue for a 'middle power' approach where Britain leads through environmental stewardship and global cooperation rather than isolation.

13 Aug 2026
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562. The Right’s War With Itself and Burnham’s Prisons Challenge

This episode examines the existential crisis within the British Conservative Party, exploring how fragmentation and a shift toward populist strategies under figures like Kemi Badenoch may lead to a terminal decline. The discussion extends to the strategic risks of chasing volatile voters versus engaging the moderate center ground. The conversation also tackles pressing domestic and international issues, including the UK's prison overcrowding crisis and its economic implications. Finally, the hosts analyze US political dynamics in Michigan, the impact of the Rhine water crisis on German supply chains, and the peculiar nuances of diplomatic gift-giving.

12 Aug 2026